To nevar aizmirst, ka mums ir vairākas kuģu korpusi, lai atbalstītu mūsu kara centienus. Tas nav, piemēram, ASV gaida 187 Raptors, lai uzvarētu visu kara mums. Raptor ir tikai papildu piemaksu ar mūsu milzīgo gaisa kuģu Arsenal! Plus F-35 būs pieejams tiešsaistē drīz, un es domāju, ka mūsu gaisa spēki darīs tikai naudas sodu no 20 vai tik jauns Sukhoi ir, ka Krievija var vai nevar reāli būvēt. Ne, ka ar Krieviju karš ir vēl gaidāms vai paredzama.

180?
Indija vien ir vērsta, kā iegūt 240 PAK-FA (FGFA) kopā ar saviem pašmāju MCA.
PAK_FA izmaksas 1 / 3 līdz Raptor.

dont worry ua būs labi Krievija nav mūsu ienaidnieks vairs

Drīz, jebkādiem teroristu domājošiem banānu republika var nopirkt vai aizņemties T-50 vai diviem, un sākt grimst Amerikas gaisa pārvadātājiem vai mērķa tās izvēlas par šo jautājumu.

Amerikāņu ietekmi visā pasaulē, tikai paslīdēja vēl par vienu pakāpi. Paldies jums mister vārti un Misters Obama. Varbūt mēs varam atbildēt ar atdzist meklē miniatūriem RC lidmašīnām. Ka vajadzētu saņemt pasaules uzmanību. NOT!

"..." Esmu bijis F-22 un es zinu, "teica Anatolijs Kornukov" Yep. Pārliecināts.

Krievi gatavojas pārdot tūkstošiem šo visā pasaulē putniem. Tagad valstis var uzlabot nepārtraukti savas lidmašīnas, lai viņi varētu vismaz atturētu American invāziju. Tās nav būs viegli vairs par ASV uzbrukumu citu valsti, ja tie ir šo putnu ādas novilkšana apkārt. Es ceru, ka Irāna būs nopirkt 200 no viņiem, lai ASV un Izraēlu ļaus ka cilvēki tikai vienu reizi. Ceru, ka Venecuēla, Argentīna, Ekvadora, Bolīvija, Urugvaja un citiem neatkarīgiem valstīm Latīņamerikā būs nopirkt putnu, kā arī.

Starp citu, F-35 paradis pat izredzes pret PAK-FA T-50. Don't even dreaming otherwise. Tās ir dažādās kategorijās, un no mana viedokļa F-35 ir underpowered, nevis kā manevrējošas kā PAK-FA. Un tiem, kuri ASV ir tehnoloģisko pārākumu, man ir ziņas par jums visiem, kas bija pirms 10 gadiem. Šodien pasaule ir vēl pilnīgi atšķirīga un jaunattīstības valstīm ir uz draudēja kļūt par individuālā uzticamu ražotāju jaunākās tehnoloģijas. Viņiem nebūs vajadzīga ASV ražot lidmašīnas, tāpēc vairs veto var novērst to iegādes. Tagad Krievija, Indija un Ķīna noslēguma tehnoloģijas plaisa ļoti ātri, tā ir gandrīz neticams. You guys nav pat iedomāties, ko Ķīna, Krievija un Indija veidot nākamo 2 gadu laikā.

Dude, jūsu paziņojums (-i): "Es ceru, ka Irāna būs nopirkt 200 no viņiem, lai ASV un Izraēlu ļaus ka cilvēki tikai vienu reizi. Ceru, ka Venecuēla, Argentīna, Ekvadora, Bolīvija, Urugvaja un citiem neatkarīgiem valstīm Latīņamerikā būs nopirkt putnu, kā arī "ir tikai stulba, un rāda īpašus izpratnes trūkumu par sociālā dinamika starp Izraēlu un Irānu.

Ir vienvirziena agresijas starp Irānu un Izraēlu, ar Irānu ir agresīvi pret Izraēlu (nevis otrādi), un Irānas prezidents solot "noslaucīt Izraēlu no kartes". Un jūs vēlaties mūsu un Izraēlas mirstīgo ienaidnieks (Irāna), kas apbruņots ar jaunāko un izcilāko krievu kara putniem, lai viņi ir lielākas izredzes norisināties to statūtos noteiktos mērķus? Kas tev ir?

Izraēla ir mūsu sabiedrotais. Irāna ir mūsu ienaidnieks. Irāna vēlas iznīcināt mūsu sabiedrotais un ASV. Reversā nav taisnība. Izraēla varētu nuke Irāna vērā aizmiršana, ja viņi vēlējās, kā mēs varētu, ja mēs vēlējāmies to darīt. Vai jūs redzat / dzirdēt Izraēlas vai ASV valdības, norādot, ka viņi gatavojas to darīt? Ļaujiet man atbildēt, ka jums. Nē, jums nav.

Tātad, kauns par jums. Aug.

David

David, Jums ir 100% pareiza. Vārti maldinājis jauns prezidents un tauta, kad viņš teica AF nebija vajadzīgs lielāks F-22s. 5 iepriekš CSAFs un SECAFs teica, ka mums 100-175 vairāk. Pašreizējā CSAF (roku noplūktiem ar Gates), pat teica, ka mums nepieciešami 60 vairāk. Gaisa Combat pavēlniecības komandieris teica, ka mums vismaz 60 vairāk, pat tad, ja krievi un Ķīnas nav laukā 5 paaudzes cīnītāji, piemēram, T-50 vai XXJ. Tagad mēs redzam tās lauku tūkstošiem šo dzinēju, liela augstuma, augsta Mach gaisa pārākumu cīnītājiem. Bez papildu F-22s, lai segtu augstkalnu virs mūsu F-35A/B/C spēkā gaisa, jūras un sauszemes spēku saskarsies lielākā ienaidnieka gaisa dominējošo spēku, kas kontrolē gaisa jebkurā laikā pēc savas izvēles. Un nerunā par to, kā valsts nevar atļauties F-22. $ 30B jāatmaksā Wall Street bankām tikai pagājušajā mēnesī, ka prezidents ierosināja dodot prom mazajiem uzņēmumiem varētu būvēt 180 F-22s vien, nemaz nerunājot par 100000 amerikāņi tas atpakaļ uz darbu 10 gadus!

David, Jūs esat nepareizi. Staļins nebija slepkavība MILJONIEM ebreju. Patiesībā Padomju Savienība palīdzēja daudz, lai noteiktu Izraēlas valsti.

"Ndennis", jums var būt pareiza, tāpēc es esmu edited manu komentāru atbilstoši šajā laikā. I appreciate jūs labot mani, ja man bija nepareizi. Es pētniecības to. Tāpat "Dude", es esmu sorry es atbraucu uz leju tik grūti, bet, ja jums blakus ar (Islamo-fašistu) Irānas un (komunistu) Venecuēlas valdības pār ASV un Izraēlu, jums tiks apstrīdēti šeit DefenseReview.

I appreciate jūs komentēt, lai gan, "Dude".

Izraēla un ASV ir tiesības veikt ieroču viņi vēlas. Visi viņi pēdējos gados tikai nogalināt pāris miljonus vjetnamiešu, irākiešiem, palestīniešiem, Libānas, sumalis afghanis un vienkārši badā uz nāvi dažas citas miljoniem. israel un ASV ir īsta democraties, viņi pat noteikt "demokrātija" par citiem. slikta israel, viņa ir tikai aptuveni 300 kodolbumbu, bet palestīniešu teroristu ir vairāk nekā 100 pašmāju raķetēm, kas klāsts ir vairāk nekā 30 jūdzes un vairāk nekā vienu pilnu kilogramu sprāgstvielu kaujas galviņu, tad pat raka tuneļus, lai kviešu, naftas un citu pārtikas, lai pabarotu 2 miljoniem badā cilvēku ghaza. nav tik briesmīgs? Nē, ne tikai to, ka tad pat radīt dažos zāles, lai palīdzētu to mirst bērni. tas ir tik aweful!

Izraēla un ASV ir tiesības veikt ieroču viņi vēlas. Visi viņi pēdējos gados tikai nogalināt pāris miljonus vjetnamiešu, irākiešiem, palestīniešiem, Libānas, sumalis afghanis un vienkārši badā uz nāvi dažas citas miljoniem. israel un ASV ir īsta democraties, viņi pat noteikt "demokrātija" par citiem. slikta israel, viņa ir tikai aptuveni 300 kodolbumbu, bet palestīniešu teroristu ir vairāk nekā 100 pašmāju raķetēm, kas klāsts ir vairāk nekā 30 jūdzes un vairāk nekā vienu pilnu kilogramu sprāgstvielu kaujas galviņu, pat raka tuneļus, lai kviešu, naftas un citu pārtikas, lai pabarotu 2 miljoniem badā cilvēku ghaza. nav tik briesmīgs? Nē, ne tikai to, ka tad pat radīt dažos zāles, lai palīdzētu to mirst bērni. tas ir tik aweful!

Vēl viens ruskie crap pile, kāpēc nav jūs guys runāt ar faktisko iznīcinātāju piloti?

Es zinu, šie puiši Apvienotajā Karalistē, un viņi jums pateiks, ka Krievijas aviācijas, ECM, radaru, raķetēm, apmācība un taktika ir šausmīgi.

The eurogighter un F22 būs noslaucīt grīdas ar šo junk gabalu, Krievijas hypes tos tā, lai sūcējs valstis kā Indija lielās rokās rīkojumus, dzinēji ir joks, jo ir radari, un uz elektroniku.

Tāpat kā kāds, kas zina maz vecākais ASV un Apvienotās Karalistes militārie cilvēkus viņi jums pateiks to pašu stāstu, ka Krievijas bruņotie spēki šobrīd aizgrābjošs joks un Ķīnas ir desmitiem atpaliek.

Nākotnē būs F22 vai Eurofighter peld veidošanā ar vairākiem ucavs piemēram Taranis, masveida spēkā vairošanos. The apkalpo plakni, kas darbojas kā apstrādātājs, un atpakaļ uz augšu.

Es zinu ķekars cilvēku no valstīm, ar šaubīgiem veida demokrātijas joprojām akli
baurot par aptuveni Ķīnas / Indijas un Krievijas reaktīvās lidmašīnas un piloti, arī vairāk muļķis viņus
vēl vairāk samazināties, un vēl vairāk atpalikt militāri.

Andrewgoins, mūsu brīnišķīgo valdība it kā gatavojas atcelt F-35 programmas too. Valdība atceļot visu veidu lietas, kas ir faktiski noderīga, tajā pašā laikā cenšoties atkritumu naudu socializing veselības aprūpi un valstī kopumā. Tie ir tumši laiki.

Cilvēkiem ir nepieciešams izkāpt nezinošs hype vilcienu un saprast, kas viņi ir ievēlēti.

Attiecībā uz atcelšanu F22 programmu, es nedomāju, ka Pentagona ir tik veida redzēts, lai atceltu F22 programmas nesaprotamu iemeslu dēļ.

Ja jūs vēlaties zināt, kāpēc F22 ir atcelts, vienkārši nodot jūsu prātā atpakaļ uz notriekšanu ar F117 pār Serbiju un tās turpmāko pensiju. Patiesais iemesls ir tas, ka ļoti dārga Maskēšanās lidaparātu tiek uzvarēts Krievijas attīstība ilgtermiņa viļņu radari, un bi-static radari, kas padara dārgu ieguldījumu gala slepeni lieku, uzstādot lētu radariem. F117 bija neaizsargāts, kad tā slepeno bija uzvarēta, tāpēc tas bija pensijā uzreiz. The F22 ir pienācīgas visapkārt gaisa, pat ja tās slepeno tiek apdraudēta, tāpēc ir ekspluatācijā, bet attiecībā uz izmaksu lietderību un uzturēt, tas, iespējams, nedarbojas, tāpēc Pentagona anulēta.

PAK-FA izskatās daudz efektīvāk un labāk pārdomāts Maskēšanās lidaparātu, nekā F117 vai F22. Tajā nav jābūt pilnīgi neredzams par jebkuru cenu, piemēram, F117 vai F22, bet īsteno augstāko iespējamo līmeni Maskēšanās, ko var sasniegt, saglabājot plaknes rentablu un maintainable. Tā vietā, cenšas būt pilnīgi neredzams, tas koncentrējas uz radariem un optiskajiem devējiem, kas var atklāt slepeno gaisa kā F22. Tas tiek darīts, ar lielu skaitu radariem norādot visos virzienos - priekšējie, sānu un atpakaļ (par bistatic atklāšanai) un UHF radari spārnus, ko nevar uzvarēts ar slepeno dizaina kā F22.

Par F22 programmas atcelšanas paralēles atcelšanu Comanche Maskēšanās helikopters, kas, lai gan ir bijis ļoti spējīga mašīna, vienkārši nesasniedza Maskēšanās līmeņa solīja būdams pārāk dārgs. Lielāku skaitu parastās kaujas helikopteri, piemēram Apache izrādījās daudz efektīvāka un lētāka nekā nelielu skaitu Comanches, kas varētu būt iegādāties un uzturēt par to pašu cenu. Tas pats, iespējams, pats attiecas uz F22.

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"Labu veiksmi aizstāvot mūsu milzīgas un ļoti uzskatāmi vairāku miljardu dolāru (iepriekš virsmas) gaisa pārvadātājiem," izraisīt mēs to vajag. "

Jā gaisa pārvadātājiem ir liels, dārgs un neaizsargātākie - bet tad tā ir kontinentālajā ASV, un neviens ierosina mēs prom ar to. Par gaisa pārvadātāji norāda, ka viens nuke būs viegli ņemt ārā, bet, ja Jums ir vērā šo scenāriju, jums jau ir uz visu, kodolkara.

Gaisa kuģa pārvadātājs ir tur, lai īstenotu to, kas bija agrāk saukta par "gunboat diplomātija" - jūs varat izdarīt līniju smiltīs (vai ūdens šajā gadījumā) un saka: "soli pa šo līniju, un tas ir karš." Tas ir noderīgs un svarīga lieta pati par sevi, Apvienotajā Karalistē konstatēts tā vilšanās, saskaroties ar iebrukumu Folklenda salām. Gaisa pārvadātājiem ļauj elastīgi reaģējot nevēršoties visu, kodolkaru.

Ja es nebija Gaisa spēku sevi un redzēt iekārtas Florida, kur F-35 piloti un tehniķi tiks apmācīti, tad es varētu nopirkt, ka Babel.

Mēs, izmantojot bezpilota lidaparātu ir līdz tam, ka papildinās F-22 un F-35 flotes UAV ir X-40B tipa sērijas un viņu nākotni atvasinājumi tiks izmantoti aizsardzības aizsardzībai pārvadātājs kaujas grupas, viņi varēs iesaistīties Maskēšanās fiksētu spārnu aktīvi nākotnē. Es neesmu jāuztraucas un es nedomāju, Aizsardzības sekretāra Geitss ir vai nu. Mēs varētu darīt manevrus, kas padarītu pilotiem galvu eksplodēt 5 paaudzes Fighter.

Es piekrītu. Tas ir ļoti nenobrieduši blog post. Šo ziņu var šoks mazāk informēti sabiedrības locekļiem. Tomēr, tas nav kā tad, ja šī jaunā strūkla ir īsti pārsteigums tiem, kas Defense biznesa. Hell, ja ne sabrukuma Padomju Savienībā, šis putns būtu gaisā pirms desmit gadiem. Tas ir vienkārši SU-47 (Krievija iepriekšējo atbildi uz f-22 uzlabotas cīnītājs programmu) ar atjauninātu aviācijas un parastās spārnus. Un pirms mēs visi ķēms, atcerieties, tas ir vienkārši testa lidojumu Dieva dēļ! Testa lidojumu, kas ir atlikta vairāk nekā divus gadus es varētu pievienot! Un, ja ASV ir problēmas, kas nodrošina dārgo F-22, cik daudz PAK FPS Jūs sagaidāt Krievija var atļauties? Bruņotie spēki pastāvīgi strādāt, lai uzlabotu to iekārtu un saglabātu konkurētspēju, reaktīvo tehnoloģiju nav atšķirīgs.

Dudes .. nāk uz leju ..
1) Krievija nav gatavojas būvēt 1000s šo .. 500 kopā ir plānota gan Indiju un Krieviju, iespējams, 200 vairāk par eksporta, bet tas ir jāskata, un ne ātrāk kā 2025 vai ilgāk.
2) F22 darīs naudas sodu pret PAK FA, tie tiks labākajā jāsaskaņo sliktākajā gadījumā viena no divām plaknēm būs līdz ar nelielu koeficientu .. ti 1,1-1 vai par ..
3) Galvenā problēma ir nevis plaknēm ir ieroči .. Pašreizējā AIM 120 nespēj atslēga uz Maskēšanās plaknes .. varētu F22 atslēga un atvašu nosaka citu F22 ar 120 AIM .. domāt par to ..
4) Izraēla / ASV / Irāna diskusija ir absolūts BS .. Lūdzu izmantot jūsu smadzenes, pirms tu runā par svarīgiem jautājumiem, piemēram, ka ..
5) F35 un flotes būs sliktākais uzdevuma priekšā ... The F35 vienkārši nav pietiekami labs, lai būtu ilgi roku, flotes un F18 (SH) ir tikai tik laba .. pret 4 un 4. + paaudzes dizainu (EF200 / SU 35) ieies liels laiks .. Navy nepieciešams plaknē turēt vismaz 200 km KLP attālumā no kaujas grupas .. F35? nevar redzēt to, ka ..

Hei, Andrew! "Par 2010 1.februārī Vārti noņemt JSF Program Manager jūras Maj Gen David Heinz un ieturētās $ 614,000,000 maksājumos Lockheed Martin, jo programmas izmaksas un kavējumus."

Tas sākas.

Jā ASV cilvēki ir hungries tikai, lai aizsargātu Izraēlu un atbalstīt tās noziegumus

Acīmredzot Defense Secretary Robert Gates cenšas krata lietām un stiprināt F-35, Joint Strike Fighter programmu. Tomēr tas var būt pārāk maz un pārāk vēlu. Kad viņš karsētie programmas izpildaģentūras kredītrīkotājs, F-35, Marine Maj Gen Heinz uz šā gada 1 Feb, sekretārs Gates nosūtīja ziņu, ka viņš ir izprot šo nopietno biznesu.

Jaunā programma izpilddirektors ir Gaisa spēku Maj Gen CD Moore. Protams, pēc nogalināšanas F-22 programmu, Obama administrācija ir daudz ko zaudēt, un vajadzīgas dažas zirgspēku, lai iegūtu F35 programmu atpakaļ uz pareizā ceļa. Varbūt Maj Gen Moore ir to cilvēku, kam ir tikai komandēja 478. Aeronavigācijas sistēmas Wing, kas atbild par projektēšanas, ražošanas, izvietošanas, modernizāciju un uzturēšanu par F-22 lidmašīnas. Viņš bija top grāds inženierzinātnēs pie Gaisa spēku akadēmijā un Guggenheim Fellow, viņš ir pabeidzis Master of Science grādu aeronautikas inženierzinātnēs Kolumbijas Universitātē. 1

ASV iegādēm sabiedrībai vajadzētu ņemt vērā. Projekta mangers (PMS) un darbuzņēmējiem notiks, lai ņemtu vērā DoD fondiem. Atbildība ir lozungs, no augšas uz leju.

Attiecībā uz Lockheed Martin, ieturot $ 614,000,000, ir apliecinājums tam, ka sekretārs Gates ir bizness. DOD drīz stāsies mazākas laiku un nevar putru apmēram ar likumpārkāpumu līgumiem.

Faktiski, F35 bija jābūt lētāk nekā F22, kas ir viens no iemesliem F22 programmu atcēla. Šī ir jāskatās, jo īpaši tāpēc visu pētniecības un par F22 D ir pilnīga darīts, un viss, kas mums bija darīt bija turpināt ražošanas līnijas. 187 F22's tika pārdoti ASV militārajiem un nāca pie vidējās izmaksas $ 350,000,000 gabalā, ņemot visu F22 projektu vērā. Būvniecības izmaksas F22 ražošanas laikā bija $ 143,000,000 vienu lidmašīnu. Tas nozīmēja vairāk būvētas F22s un Gaisa spēku sākotnēji vēlējās 750, jo mazāk uz vienu plakni izmaksas vidēji varētu būt. Bet programmā bija izstieptas uz gandrīz 20 gadus, pārāk garš, un vēl bija ļoti dārga.

Kaut arī visas lielākās DOD iegādēm iet caur procesu, ko sauc par kopīgo spēju integrācija attīstības sistēmu, lai apdrošinātu jauni risinājumi ir integrēti visos pakalpojumu komponentus, Joint Strike Fighter ir unikāla, ka ir pamats platforma trīs pakalpojumiem. Gaisa spēku vēlas korpusa aizstāt slēgt gaisa atbalsta lomas F16 un A10, kā arī piektās paaudzes gaisa pārākumu platformas (lai gan F22, iespējams, ir spējīgs). Marines grib daudzpusīga, īsā pacelšanās un vertikālā nolaišanās (STOVL) versiju, un Navy grib pārvadātāja launchable nomaiņa F18. Kā jūs varat redzēt, ASV nāk visos turpmākajos cīnītājs spēju vienā grozā.

Mums ir nepieciešams, lai iegūtu šīs tiesības.

MAJ John Hoyman
Student, vadības un Genreal štāba koledžas
Armijas apgādes Universitāte, Ft. Lee, Virginia

1 piekļūt no http://www.jsf.mil/leadership/ Mar 2010 9.
2 piekļūt no http://www.defensereview.com/f-22-raptor-progra .. . gada 9 Mar 2010.

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Es uzskatu, ka ASV ir jābūt būvēts vismaz 1000 F-22's. Es uzskatu, ka F-35 programmas ir milzīgs naudas izšķiešana, un ir aplaupīts budžets F-22 programmu. Galu galā mums nebūs pietiekami daudz vai nu. Lūdzu, saskaņā novērtēt Krievijas atrisināt. Viņi ir hated mums gadu desmitiem un visu laikā Buša gadus mēs cirta un poked tos būs. Tie nav mūsu draugi un nekad nebūs. Amerika zaudē tā saķeri kā lielākā lielvara kā Krievija, Ķīna un Indija strauji uzlabot savu ieroču sistēmām. Tas ir vienkārši fakts. Es neredzu rosey nākotni mums. Es vēlos vairāk cilvēku varētu saņemt savu galvu no smiltīm un redzēt mēslu, kas tas ir. Kā mēs virzās sociālisma sabiedrību mūsu militārās būs samazinājusi, lai finansētu sociālās programmas "progressives" pieprasījumu. Pēc pāris gadiem mēs, piemēram, Grieķijā ir šodien. Cilvēki, kas tout "Amerika vienmēr ir bijusi labākā un vienmēr būs" labāk ņemt ļoti grūti apskatīt to, kas īsti notiek šajā valstī, un visā pasaulē. Jūs varētu būt par šoks ...

[...] Par laimi, uz šo brīdi, ASV joprojām ir vairāk naudas un resursu, nekā Irāna ... mēs domājam. Kamēr mēs varam atļauties pietiekami daudz Lockheed Martin F-35B STOVL Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) gaisa kuģa un uzlabotas pretraķešu un anti-torpēdu kuģi aizsardzības sistēmu, lai neitralizētu Irānas Su-25SMs, Mi-28A / N Havocs, anti kuģi raķetēs, kā arī torpēdas (ja tās pārvalda, lai iegūtu dažus no tiem ūdens), mēs būtu alright. Let's tikai ceru, ka irāņi nav nomāts Van gatavāki kā jūras kara konsultants (Atruna:. Tas, protams joks Mēs saprotam, Mr Van gatavāki ir gan juridiski aizliegts - un, bez šaubām, morāli principiālu pret-palīdz irāņiem, kas jebkura pret ASV militāro veidā.), un nevar saņemt rokas uz Raptorsky (PAK FA Sukhoi T-50 5.-gen cīnītājs lidaparātu). [...]

Šī plakne ir ceļa paraut reakcija uz F-22 programmu. Šī strūklas, nebūs ietverta jota aizsardzības vai uzbrukuma sistēmas Rapter ir. The Rapter izmaksas lielas buki iemesla dēļ Pak-fa neslēpj to pašu radaru šķērsgriezuma vai ir cietā atklāšanas suite. Es piekrītu 187 lidmašīnas, kuras vienkārši nav pietiekami, tomēr ar diviem jauniem DOD programmas F35 un UCAV ASV pieder visas kartes. DOD plāno iegādāties 2000 + JSF (F35), ja Lockheed izpaužas tā rīkoties kopīgi, un gandrīz trīs reizes summu aizskarošu lidmašīnu ASV tajā inventarizāciju. Jums ir taisnība, ar sakot, ka lielākā daļa no šiem amatiem ir nenogatavojušies. Pēc peld pret Rapter ieroču skolā un Red Flag es teikšu, tas būtu skumjš dienā attiecībā uz jebkuru platformu, lai mēģinātu outgun F-22, Gaisa kuģis ir vienkārši pārsteidzošs.

Uh, nav taisnība, vispār sir. Ar Ft Worth augu ir izveidota, un pēc līguma izmaiņu un sodīt Lockheed nokavējuma pārbaudes un eval. viņi sāka izmēģinājuma ražošanu.

ASV militāro spēku vēsturiski ir nogalināšanas mašīnas, jo īpaši tā karavīri. Check Out antics miesnieks GEN. Dotācijas KAUJA COLD Harbor (1864). Viņš ir tajā pašā līgā kā gaļas LINCOLN.

1) Jūs nedrīkstat veikt šādus skaļš politisko paziņojumu, kad jūs esat skaidri neziņā par vēsturiskiem faktiem. Vismaz jūs apkalpo up un atzina to un tas ir slavējamas.

2) Vai Eiropas ebreju ciest Hitlera pirms 60 gadiem? Jā. Tas bija pirms 60 gadiem. Tas tagad ir 2010. Izraēla vajadzīgs, lai apturētu kūdīšana ekstrēmismu (un no tās izrietošo teroristu darbību), ja pārtrauc nepārtraukti uzbrukt civiliedzīvotājiem un okupē ārvalstīs. Mēs, jo gan nodokļu maksātāji un potenciālo terorisma upuriem, ir jāmaksā cenu par savu alkatību un mežonību. Labākais, ko varam darīt, lai sevi ir, lai nogrieztu Izraēlu un ļaut viņiem atsist sev. Es esmu noguris no savām problēmām kļūt par mūsu problēmām.

3) F-22 trūkumiem lidmašīnā. 187 ir par daudz. Jebkurā gadījumā cīnītājs sprauslas jēdziens ir novecojis.

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Ķīnas var kopēt Aircraft ar 35% -45% ražošanas jaudu, ja viens no Superpower pārdod vai iznomāt 5. Gen Aircarft un parādīt viņiem, kā to izdarīt.

Pak fa vairāk projektu dēļi. Ar darba valstīm būtu prasīt nedaudz pūļu. Vēl vairāk tas pat nav stājies masveida ražošanu. Papīra tā ir laba, bet patiesībā tas būtu kaut kas ar nepārbaudītu. Un ir reālisti, neviens III pasaules valsts izmantos šos pie numurus, tas atbalsta izmaksas, tai nepieciešams remonts, ir nepieciešams infrastruktūras uc Ne F22, ne pakfa būs revolūcija. The Eurofighter, SU 35, F 35 tiks mainstream kādu laiku, līdz pat biežāk F22 patīk (vai fakpa tamlīdzīgi) lidmašīnas pārņems.

Predator pilots:
Vai es jūs uzrunāt, kā savu patieso izsaukuma signāls, "aitu-stulbenis"? Jums ir acīmredzami pret amerikāņu, bet ne ļoti saprātīgas vienu. Kāpēc jūs pārtraucat poking apmēram uz ziņojumu dēļiem, kas neattiecas uz jums, un doties atpakaļ uz to otro labāko, lieta, ka jūsu valstī zina visu par jūs incītis.

PAK FA ir ļoti smags plaknē un es nedomāju, ka tas veiks, kā arī Raptor, pat piemērojot ļoti iepriekš ķiveri un aviācijas elektronikas sistēmu. Arī krievi ne tērēt, ka daudz naudas par ēku to. Vienīgais drauds jums ir jānāk no saviem klientiem. Vairāk vai mazāk, Berkut Su-47 jau pierāda, ka krievi nebūs par šo vienu too.

Viņš UAV X-40B nav "KLP" iespējām, daudz vairāk, lai Dogfight. Pēc flotes pensijā F-14, tas does'nt ir dzīvotspējīgi liela attāluma gaisa pret Ķīnas aizsardzības un krievi 4,5 paaudzes cīnītājs, ar fotografēšanu un mukt. The F18 E / F, faktiski ir mazāk spējīgs gaisa nekā F-18A. F-18A var no skrēja, outfight, kas vadītu E / F sērijas. Lūdzu, izlasiet aizsardzības pārskatu par F18E. Faktiski, Navy plāno izmaiņas dažas EF modeli tankkuģi, aka, lai atbalstītu EF18E

Kas ellē tu runā? ASV Gaisa spēku (Fighter flotes) ir nopietna problēma pret 5. Paaudzes Krievijas un Ķīnas cīnītāji un Jūsu runā par Amerikas pilsoņu kara! saņemt reālu

Maj John

Vai es jūs aicinu John? Es neesmu ļoti labas grāmatvedības, jo es esmu tikai aeronavigācijas inženieris. Bet cik es zinu, ASV var atļauties pāris F22 plus uzlabot, lai novērstu jaunu apdraudējumu. Ir vairāki "melnā" programmas, kas var atcelt, lai finansētu papildu Raptors.
Jūs varat lūgt jums boss un viņš zina,

Es piekrītu, tomēr, ja ASV cīnīsies divās frontēs, ļaujiet teikt, kaut kur ziemeļaustrumiem Āzijā un Tuvajos Austrumos, ja abi pretinieki, izmantojot 4,5 un 5 paaudzes cīnītājs / c, pēc tam, ASV Gaisa spēku ir dziļi nepatikšanas . 187 F22 nav pietiekami labs, pat ar F35 piemaksu.
ASV 4. Paaudzes Iznīcinātāji būs tikai apbērt ar daudz augstākā pretiniekiem.
ASV doctrime nosaka, ka, uzvarot attiecība 1,1-1 joprojām zaudējumus. ASV Gaisa spēku jāuzvar airwar ne nakti, bet milzīgs.

"Tie, kas kontrolē gaisa bieži kontrolē no nāk konflikta"

MPS,

Let assume that you are right, the F22 lost its viability as stealth fighter, and the 187 F22 plus compliments of F35 were put into service. Still, the remaining US 4th generation of fighter (F15, F16 and F18) cannot be a supplement for F22 against the growing numbers of 4.5 and 5th generation of Chinese and Russian built aircraft, not to mentioned the growing threat of Russian and Chinese next generation of SAMs, SA-”two digits”, SA-20 and SA-2X.
The only curent platform in US arsenal that can defeat this new russian and chinese fighter are the F22 and F35, (well, unless the B-2 bomb their airfields and installation).
To develop new fighter (USA 6th gen of fighter) will be more expensive due to the cost of R&D and it will takes decades before the first operational aircraft will be put into service. By that time, Russian and Chinese or even European already counter our 6th generation aircraft.
To compare the F22 to F117 is obscure. The F22 stealthiness is far from F117. The F117 use faceted technic, F22 RCS is much much less than the F117, 0.01sqm or less. Everybody knows that the F22 has a very sophisticated avionic suites, little know that this packages can be use in concert or combinations that can use to produce alternative tactics that can be applied in different sistuations. As some of the pilot of the F22 said, “with the advent of stealth the tactics that they can produce is almost limitless”.
There are three main points to shoot down or defeat a stealth aircraft, 1. You must be able to defect the aircraft (if you know it's out there or not, you must know where its coming from). 2. You must be able to track it (continuesly), vertor, how fast, direction (you may defect the F22 and you know its out there, but it might show intermittent on you radar). 3. You must lock you weapon on it (BVR or WVR). If you have intermittent tracking on your radar, how can you lock your weapons? The adversary must do this in couple of minutes or even seconds, before the F22 lock on you. The principle of “First Look, First Kill” still applies. Even, an adversary was able to get close to F22, this aircraft is a formidable dogfighter, specially flown by a well trained American pilots.
With the use of ALQ-94 avionic suite, the F22 can use adversaries radar wave to homein a AIM-120D AMRAAM missile on the source itself, aka Anti-Radiation missile. The F22 can applies a lot of tactics to a point that this aircraft can trap the adversaries, by application of stealth and datalink.
F22 is not totally invisible to radar, it can be detected even beyond visual range. If the F22 open up its weapon bay door, it can be detected momentarily then disappear on the radar once the door close up.
The point is that, the F22 was design, tested and build for many years, engineers and war planners off course, think much about the future treat.
As for the Comache RAH66, the RAH66 is an Armed Reconnaisance Stealth Helicopter, required to replace the Kiowa Reconnaisance Helicopter. RAH 66 is not to intented to replace the Apache. As the designer said, “They (politician) might be able to understand this if this (RAH66) is unarmed like the Kiowa”.

Capt Sizemore,

First of all, base on history, American always under estiamte the Russians. True, base on the design / contour (especially the aft fuselage) of the PAK FA T-50, this aircraft is not as stealhty as the Raptor. However, the T-50 will fight differently than the Raptor. Base on the design planform, this aircraft is extremely agile, considering the all moving vertical and horizontal tail plane and the 3D vector exhaust nozzle.
My assumption is that, this aircraft will defeat any incoming long range missile by applying advance countermeasures at the sametime using its superb agility. Once, he
avoided this long range missile/s, he will going to bring the fight in its own area, WVR, where it has the advantage. Even, the PAK FA was put in a bad position on WVR due to the evasive manuever against incoming long range missile, the PAK FA can still defeat any of its adversaries at WVR due to its aerodynamic advantage.
A same scenario happen in an exercise between Brit and American pilots. Two Eurofighters were chase by 2 F-15Es and still the EF2000 was able to out manuever and
defeat the F-15s in a close dogfight.
The PAK FA and F22 has it strength and weaknesses, let assume that they are equal or the advantage is tip over the F22. The only way to ensure that the F22 fleet will win desivecively against 4.5 and 5 generation of Russian a/c is with overwhelming numbers.
My question to you is, Are you willing to take the risk to send American pilots to an adversaries in equal terms? or even with marginal advantage? Of course not, US always win a war with overwheliming advantages whether its technological, quality or quantity.
As a US fighter pilot, you know that the current US Airforce fleet is not large enough to fight and defeat a regional superpower decivesively and quickly, let alone to wage a war in two theather.
Observe the US campaign “War in Terror”, Afgan and Iraq, these terrorist does not have regular armies, but still US commit substantial resources, both men and material to ensure advantage, imagine if they have the resources of a regional superpower, what will the commitment that US will provide?

Tw 1000

I dont know who you talked to, if the guy is a really fighter pilot. There is NO West (US or Brit) fighter pilot pitch in a real combat against 4.5 and 5 (Su-35 and Su-37)generation of Russian and Chinese fighters.
The only experiance that our fighter pilots have is “Red Flag” and “Top Gun” and some other exercises in europe and asia, both using western / allied aircraft or vintage Russian and Chinese fighters (Mig-29A and J-8).
WE DONT KNOW THE FULL POTENTIAL OF THESE RUSSIANS AND CHINESE NEW GENERATION OF FIGHTER AIRCRAFT. NOT EVEN THE HIGH PAID CIA CAN TELL US. More, the Russian and Chinese will sell these aircraft to countries Hostile to US in numbers, like pan cakes.
I'm not worry about the Russian and Chinese. The Russians economy fall aparts decades ago, I doubt if they can purchase 100 of these PAK FA -T50. The Chinese is so F….king busy for their businesses around the globe, selling 2 buck shoes to a million-dollar hi-tech aircraft, why should chinese go to war with another countries if they have business with them? We let them alone they will let us alone, heck they do business with us. “Ah, business is good, life is good” chinese motto.
What I'm concern are those countries Hostile to US, they are reamming themselves as if, it is their last day. Some countries will by expensive weapons, spend all their resources in weapon, to a point to feed their countries with weeds and dirt, just to get even with us.
Regarding the capability of these aircraft, the only thing we knew about these new Russian and Chinese Aircraft are shown on test flight, shown on the air shows and maybe some technical data that our intelligence agency aquired (papers and documents).
The real performance of this aircraft will be shown in a real battle space. And about the UCAV, dont rely on these toys, even Al-Queda and Taliban were able shoot it down.

Velerri,

You are so idiot, ignorant, uneducated and arrogant . Did you just finish grade school? or your teacher is as stupid and moron as you are. People like you is the reason behind 9/11 incident, this is the reason why “We the American's are the Most Hated people in the World”. They are some people in the world that they are willing to die just to kill us, dont you know that?
We are not safe wherever we go, Hell we are not even safe in our own country!!!

JUST BECAUSE THE WAY YOU THINK…..MORON

Why do you think that, we Americans and or even the Israel has the right to own nuclear weapon or weapon of mass destruction???

Yes, We the American has the RIGHT TO DEFEND ourselves, our country and our national interest, even to a point to invade other countries, as any superpower will do, but we dont have the right to bully others. (Well, bullying is an epidemic in America anyway).

Imposing our will to others is insanity. The definition of “Democracy” to us is different from other culture.

IMPOSING THE WAY OF OUR DEMOCRACY TO OTHERS IS NOT DEMOCRACY AT ALL.

By the way, Why do you hate does Vietnamese, Palestinians, Lebanese, Sumalis and Afgans, ARE YOU SKIN HEAD?

Dont viņiem ir tiesības dzīvot, izdzīvot un praksē tās pārliecības. Daži no šiem cilvēkiem cīņā par demokrātiju ar nelielu resursi un tie ir ļoti žēl. Dažas no tām ir cietis no nežēlības un terorisma too.

Un Izraēla, tie nav mūsu stunches sabiedrotajiem Tuvajos Austrumos. Mēs likām viņiem F16 tehnoloģijas, viņi (Izraēla) veidot FX LAVI, bāzi F16, pēc tam pārdot to uz Ķīnas. Tagad, ķīniešu, ražo J-10 uzlabot LAVI.

Paldies Izraēlas, Ķīnas ir hi-tech lidmašīnas, kas atbilst mūsu F16 un nodot mūsu piloti briesmas.

Tāpat, pateicoties Izraēlu prorifilating kodolbruņošanās sacensību Tuvajos Austrumos. Hey es minēts, ka Indija bija iespēja iegūt kodoltehnoloģijas no Francijas caur Izraēlu?

Tātad, pirms atvērt muti, domāju, ka pirmās.

I believed that the current force of 187 F22 is not sufficient for US Airforce to gain total Air Dominance in a regional conflict. The F35, though is very capable aircraft, it is not design as Air Superiority Fighter, its is a strike aircraft, multi-role combat aircraft, Wild Weasel and Light Bomber to replace the F117. It is design to penetrate, SAM sites and take them out along with USAF other toy such UCAV. Yes, the F35 can defend itself against fighter aircraft, but it is unlikely, that it will survive against Russian and Chinese built advance fighter.
I bet that if F35 will match against F16 or F15 (Block + or C version, advance version) in close dogfight, F16 and F15 will prevail.
The F22 in sufficient numbers will dominate battle arena quick and desicively, even the F22s compromise or partially compromise its stealth capability. In alikely scenerio, in a small number, the F22 survival is bleek, fighting in enemy's territory to gain for Air Dominance, at the same time providing cover to strike aircraft (F35) and other support aircraft (AWACS / J-Stars, etc). In a meatime, our 4th generation fighter/bomber (F16, F15 and F18s) are targeting low priority and lightly defended targets, keeping their eyes to the sky hoping not to encounter a pack of T-50s or J-XXs. Allied airforces hand will be full too, defending themselves against overwhelming numbers of 3th and 4th generation of Rusky and Cheng fighters, just enough to fend them away from the F22 / F35 groups.
After the smoke is cleared on the first day, several F22s and F35s were lost against the numerical superiority of T-10 and J-XX. The F16, F15 and F18 groups were badly mauled by advance SAM sites supported with few defending fighters. Allied airforces is not so lucky either, they tried to fend off wave after wave of enemy fighters. Although mission is highly successful, the lost is stagerring specially in US 4th generation fighters. With such loss, allied nations participating in this war has serious doubt to support the campaign and the US might be left alone in the dark.
This is the future airwars that the US and its allies might encounter, having marginal technological advantage against numerically supperior opponents.
This is reason why the US, in his history's modern war does not give an inch to its opponents.
I dont believed in fighting “Against Incredible Odds” and emerging as a hero. This thing only happen in a movie.

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Actually, even American F-16s have visor tracking and projection. JHMCS, but we called it Cisip. The update started at Hill AFB in 2006 for the 388th. Whoever writes this stuff should put in a little effort and actually check facts…

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Izskatās, ka F-22 veida, es šaubos, ka būs vienāda ar F-22, MIG 25 nekad = F-15 un SU-27 un Mig 29 nekad bija vienāda ar F-15 un F-16.

Jūsu idiots, tu nevari pateikt, Valerii tika sarkastisks? Wow, kas garīgi!

Having said that, there is a lot of naivety in the West among the US public about the consequences of aggression towards other countries or peoples. If the US invades/bombs another country like Iraq or Pakistan and kills people, most of whom (as in all such conflicts) are going to be independent bystanders, then it is naive in the extreme to expect them not to want to bomb us back. If somebody bombed us or invaded our own country, we would want to hit back, as we did in the case of 9/11 – this is just human nature. Why should muslims – or anyone else for that matter be different?nnWhy on earth do so many people in the West swallow the line that politicians are selling us that the attacks on Iraq and Pakistan is going to make us safer rather than less safe? nnI am not convinced that occupying Iraq or Afghanistan, or bombing targets within Pakistan or Iraq will actually stop 4 men with box cutters boarding an aircraft and using is as a flying bomb – better airline security might help prevent another 9/11, but what the US did and is continuing to do makes it more likely, not less since it will create more who are looking to take revenge.nnActually I found the information published so far from Wiki-leaks on what US officials know and the opinions they have stated to be very reassuring. What it shows that the US military and intelligence services are actually quite well clued in as to what is happening, It is the politicians that are acting in a two-faced and putting a false spin on things, presumably for political gain, often contrary to national interest or national security. In the case of Iraq, the US had Saddam Hussain boxed in and under their control with the no-fly zone and UN sanctions. Bush senior knew that which is why he took so much trouble to make sure the Shite rebellion in the south did not take hold by giving Saddam Hussain the green light to crush it. Now after the US pulls out, Iraq is much more uncertain, and most probably sooner or later, it will turn anti-American once US leverage in terms of military occupation is withdrawn. n

all Yankees here are complete retards except for some of you, you all just believe in your supremacy !ndon't you ever think about others capabilities if you think Russian ,Chinese,Indian,European equipments suck then why do you develop new weapons nsome of you have tremendous amount of false pride and ego

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